Curse

Redfeather1975 · Sep 08, 2007, 12:43 PM // 12:43

What do you enjoy about clearing entire zones repeatedly Kakumei?

Croco Clouds · Sep 08, 2007, 02:26 PM // 14:26

Grind will make ur eyes hurt in the morning, if u don't feel it/aware of it, then u may be in critical state. I can feel it since I see I have panda eyes even if i slept for 10 hours

LifeInfusion · Sep 08, 2007, 02:53 PM // 14:53

What's wrong with grind?

- It makes it tedious to play if there is a statistical advantage (see consummables for example)
- It goes against the original concept of guild Wars, which is to take all the bullcrap of MMOs (PKing, spawn camping, etc.) and throw it out via instancing
- statistical advantage by grind means time spent> skills
- grind isn't fun by any definition (it's the equivalent of a treadmill with no real benefits except ingame)
- it creates the illusion of content that isn't there

All in all, it is unequivocal that the end result of the grind is the "fun" which means the grind is what people like to call "work". I don't know about you, but I don't play a game for WORK.

mscobra · Sep 08, 2007, 02:55 PM // 14:55

Having played other MMO's that require grinding, I can tell you first hand.

Grinding makes the game repetitve, boring, and ultimatly hating a mmo you once loved.

I moved on from another mmo to GW just because of grind. And if I have to wait a year with what GW offers now, I think I'll be trying other games during the wait.

Some people enjoy grind, as some people enjoy watching paint drying or grass growing, but I like challenge and new adventures, not mindless activity, I can watch TV for that, TV is more interesting.

Crotalus · Sep 08, 2007, 03:55 PM // 15:55

I remember a few weeks after Factions came out i came on to this forum complaining how expensive skills were for my chars. I was told by the vast majority of this community to 'Farm more' to get the required gold. There even was some personal attacks stating that i had OCD in getting skills.

That said, i see no difference between zoning in and out to farm trolls or any other monster to get gold and farming titles to get armor, weapons, and PvE skills.

You reap what you sow.

Gattocheese · Sep 08, 2007, 05:30 PM // 17:30

For me, i dont like the grind unless its worth the time. For me, i would have grinded my lil ars off to max rank of asuran, dwarven, ect.. for some elite cool looking armor. too bad the armor sucks. It would of been a prestigeous mark on how hard i worked for some cool armor. I also think the consumables are awesome, imo i think the consumables should be at a higher rank. But grind just for the point of grinding, hell no. Why would i want max titles of asuran ect... if i get no reward for it.

Stolen Souls · Sep 08, 2007, 06:13 PM // 18:13

Because GW was supposed to be skill>time.

Oh yes...takes lots of skill to steamroll the same area 50 times.

lord dragon · Sep 08, 2007, 11:52 PM // 23:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stolen Souls

Because GW was supposed to be skill>time.

Oh yes...takes lots of skill to steamroll the same area 50 times.

I must not grind. Grind is the mind-killer. Grind is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my GRIND... I will permit it to pass over me and through me.

Sorry, had to borrow that one from DUNE. Seemed fitting in the end discussing how we must now grind.

mscobra · Sep 08, 2007, 11:57 PM // 23:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by lord dragon

I must not grind. Grind is the mind-killer. Grind is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my GRIND... I will permit it to pass over me and through me.

Sorry, had to borrow that one from DUNE. Seemed fitting in the end discussing how we must now grind.

too fitting...

Stolen Souls · Sep 09, 2007, 12:03 AM // 00:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by lord dragon

I must not grind. Grind is the mind-killer. Grind is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my GRIND... I will permit it to pass over me and through me.

Sorry, had to borrow that one from DUNE. Seemed fitting in the end discussing how we must now grind.

lol, too fitting, indeed. >.>

MithranArkanere · Sep 09, 2007, 01:37 AM // 01:37

Grind is boring.

You get to rank 7 of sunspear just by playing normally (quests and such) so everything should be like that.

HawkofStorms · Sep 09, 2007, 02:27 AM // 02:27

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Originally Posted by Crotalus

I remember a few weeks after Factions came out i came on to this forum complaining how expensive skills were for my chars. I was told by the vast majority of this community to 'Farm more' to get the required gold. There even was some personal attacks stating that i had OCD in getting skills.

That said, i see no difference between zoning in and out to farm trolls or any other monster to get gold and farming titles to get armor, weapons, and PvE skills.

You reap what you sow.

Nah. You can beat the game buying 15 skills. The thing is, people who waste money and don't think about their purchases deserve to run out of money. You reap what you sow.

The problem with GW:EN is, you HAVE to grind to complete the game.

hallomik · Sep 09, 2007, 02:34 AM // 02:34

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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

The problem with GW:EN is, you HAVE to grind to complete the game.

Huh?

I beat it without any grind.

Bryant Again · Sep 09, 2007, 02:39 AM // 02:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by hallomik

Huh?

I beat it without any grind.

He may've meant to fully enjoy all the content because damn, that's one short story.

lord dragon · Sep 09, 2007, 04:42 AM // 04:42

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Originally Posted by Names Schmames

Games are supposed to be fun and not work?

Yeah, what a concept, LOL

myword · Sep 09, 2007, 05:48 AM // 05:48

it's bad, it's an artificial way of prolonging a game's playing time to make up for lack of content

for the armor especially, wouldn't mind if it required you to complete all of the race's dungeons once, that at least is not as mind numbingly boring as killing everything that you see repeatedly

lord dragon · Sep 09, 2007, 06:19 AM // 06:19

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Originally Posted by myword

it's bad, it's an artificial way of prolonging a game's playing time to make up for lack of content

for the armor especially, wouldn't mind if it required you to complete all of the race's dungeons once, that at least is not as mind numbingly boring as killing everything that you see repeatedly

Well, considering the a lot of the dungeons are just copies of the level before, or borrowed from another one, you really aren't missing much.

CyberNigma · Sep 09, 2007, 06:38 AM // 06:38

There is no problem with grind. I play wow along with GW. WoW gives me grind in the sense that I'm leveling up another character to 70. It's really only grind after maybe the first couple of times. I think the point is, if someone were to add grind to say Strange Adventures in Infinite Space, you'd say like "wtf, it's supposed to be a game I can play in under 20 minutes." Adding more grind to WoW is ok because that's expected. Adding more grind to a game famous for its lack of grind is...well... making it like games that other people left to come to GW for.
Grind in itself isn't bad. When you have a game you play where you play it for the sole reason of not wanting to grind at the moment, kinda removes one of the reasons some people have for playing it. No fees isn't a big enough reason for many people to play a game. I can make a game with no fees that does nothing but say "you're playing a game". That's not the point..

lord dragon · Sep 09, 2007, 06:49 AM // 06:49

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Originally Posted by CyberNigma

There is no problem with grind. I play wow along with GW. WoW gives me grind in the sense that I'm leveling up another character to 70. It's really only grind after maybe the first couple of times. I think the point is, if someone were to add grind to say Strange Adventures in Infinite Space, you'd say like "wtf, it's supposed to be a game I can play in under 20 minutes." Adding more grind to WoW is ok because that's expected. Adding more grind to a game famous for its lack of grind is...well... making it like games that other people left to come to GW for.
Grind in itself isn't bad. When you have a game you play where you play it for the sole reason of not wanting to grind at the moment, kinda removes one of the reasons some people have for playing it. No fees isn't a big enough reason for many people to play a game. I can make a game with no fees that does nothing but say "you're playing a game". That's not the point..

Thank you for understanding my reasons.

Please remember...

I must not GRIND. GRIND is the mind-killer. GRIND is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my GRIND... I will permit it to pass over me and through me.